Saturday, March 24, 2007

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Last year Ron Hornbaker started a website called Alexaholic.com that displayed Alexa traffic graphs. This website very clearly misappropriated the Alexa name, which isn't something that Alexa tolerates under any circumstances. We reached out to Mr. Hornbaker last year in an attempt to resolve the problem amicably. We even explored an acquisition, which we didn't have to do. Unfortunately, it became clear over time that Mr. Hornbaker did not want to stop trading off the Alexa name. This left Alexa with no alternative but to bring legal action to recover the misappropriated name. Even that action did not stop Mr. Hornbaker. Now, in what amounts to an apparent admission that Alexa has a right to its name, Mr. Hornbaker has renamed Alexaholic, calling it "Statsaholic." But he is still trading off the Alexa brand by using the Alexaholic domain to direct traffic to his new URL. Furthermore, Mr. Hornbaker is in fact not using our web service to generate the traffic graphs on his website. Instead of obtaining the traffic data for a fee using the API which Alexa offers, he has chosen to pirate proprietary Alexa data by taking Alexa traffic graphs without permission. Mr. Hornbaker is now trying to extract more value from Alexa by turning this into a PR issue, which he admits is a deliberate strategy.

Alexa doesn't take the decision to bring legal action lightly but will do so when required. We'll pursue this issue aggressively and intend to recover the Alexaholic URL and to ensure that Mr. Hornbaker is held accountable for misappropriating our graphs and data.

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From user perspective Alexaholic did more good to Alexa.com then any other thing on the Internet. I am not delighted to see all this dirty laundry frying around.

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Although, i have to say i think Alexa are right in this context. When i first saw Alexaholic, i thought it was a great product. Then when i saw them being challenged by Alexa i thought it was wrong. However after reviewing all the facts I think alexa did the right thing. Why didnt he get official approval? why didnt he pay for graphs? why did he refuse to work with them? the guy took all the wrong moves and was too arrogant. now he pays the price.

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You should let him use statsaholic.com with your graph data and just ask him to put a link to Alexa.com on his site. That'd be the least evil thing to do.

E-consultancy said...

Hi Geoff,

Just to say that if Ron isn't using your API then I'm reversing my position. Scraping = bad.

http://www.e-consultancy.com/news-blog/362941/amazon-kills-statsaholic-but-does-jeff-know.html#comments

Thomas Hawk said...

Alexa's presentation sucks. If it didn't suck so bad I might just use Alexa. But it's slow, cumbersome, difficult to use, and not intuitive.

Alexaholic, by contrast, was faster, easier, more intuitive, and a much better way to browse Alexa graphs.

I find the proprietary attitude by Alexa about this issue to be quite lame.

The reason that Alexa has he data that they do is because people voluntary install your toolbar and provide you with that data. A bunch of free labor.

And then some small little guy comes along and finds a better way to mashup what you guys are getting for free and you try to squash him.

Look at Flickr as a better model. Flickr has users that provide their content and then they turn around and offer up and Open API to anyone who wants it (even competitors). The reason this is smart is because the photos on Flickr don't belong to Flickr -- any more than the data that you compile ought to belong to you.

I think when you take these hard handed tactics that it only makes people hate Alexa. Alexa is all we have right now as a freebie out there to get a basic (however flawed and certainly we all know how flawed it is as it runs on IE only) view of a sites traffic.

I find the tone of your post to be an unfortunate one and think it reflects poorly on you.

Brian B. Carter, MS, LAc said...

you guys are idiots- you're giving him free press, which shoots yourself in the foot, and you're missing the point of the internet which is primarily to share information- and just cuz you wave some money at someone doesn't mean they have to do what you want them to.

Brian said...

Supremely idiotic maneuver by Amazon. With these kinds actions - I certainly hope another traffic monitoring solution crushes Alexa.

Google anyone? I'm sure the toolbar could be repurposed for this use.

evymetal said...

I completely agree that he should be using your API, I also believe that he should have a link on alexaholic.com to alexa, as prominant as the one to his own site.

On the other hand, as far as I know of you do not offer the graphs which he is using. I also think that you have to be careful when saying he is "scraping" content, as you run your own spider/ ranker that scrapes content off websites to build your data - which your entire site is built off.

I would suggest offering an API that would do exactly what he is doing, and then forcing him to use that, but until he has that option you shouldn't downplay technological inovation.

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Alexa's actions should be viewed in the larger context of Amazon's corporate strategy. Amazon wants innovative startups to use its services, such as S3. But that requires trust. People need to trust that Amazon won't pull the rug out from under them the minute they become successful. What this incident shows is that Amazon doesn't understand the importance of trust. Alexa is hurting a major Amazon initiative to pursue a very minor issue.

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I had not heard of Alexa before this. It's an inauspicious meeting as now not only do I have a bad taste about Alexa, I also have one about Amazon. I have plenty of competition to shop from and will being using said competition going forward. I get no sense from alexaholics or statsaholic that they were doing anything but improve and bring free attention to Alexa.

It is amazing how companies like yours truly believe believe that people are stupid. People are not stupid and they know "Alexaholic" is not "Alexa". It is a travesty in this day and age that our courts allow this frivolous waste of time and money while you sue for something so idiotic. If you can't beat someone with innovation, litigate until you can steal what they have, or force feed people with what you think they want or need.

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In general I like Amazon. It's an innovative company with some good products S3 and so on...

but I'm sorry... like most people I still don't understand this move. It's just incredibly stupid, and as a developer I'm just not as keen on using Amazon services anymore. You are setting a really bad precedent. Hopefully Yahoo and Ebay don't follow you on this one

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I recommend the guy simply put a small photo of a girl named Alexa on his website and a small tagline about her being his crush. Thus it could fairly and truthfully said he's an alexaholic.

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